RV'ing in sub zero temperatures

 Yere, it's been cold here in Cranbrook, BC

It's February 10th today and we have spent the last two days without any water to the kitchen. Water to the bathroom has been unaffected thankfully as it's right above the service area where the furnace etc. are located. which is always warm.

The hot and cold water lines run from the service area down under the floor then back about 5 feet then come up through the floor and into the cupboard under the sink. No mystery there but as it turns out there are some low-point drains that poke through the skin that covers the all of the underneath of the RV. We originally thought that as the tanks are heated so should be the path that the water lines follow. I mean that they are close to the ducted heating. The tanks are infact heated as they are close to the furnace ducting.

A heater pointed at the low-point drain fixed the problem within 30 minutes and we were surprised at how easy the fix was. At this point we have three electric heaters in the RV two that basically have been running for about 2 months non-stop and now a third that lives under the RV. This one can be turned on when required to de-ice water lines.

We should be good for about minus 20 degC we hope and besides, it's all a leaning process. I guess in a way we are still getting setup as full-timers and learning how to cope in certain situations but Canadian winters are a challenge.

EDIT: Feb 12, 2021

Last night our furnace stopped working the temperature inside the RV dropped to 15 degC while it was a chilly -26 degC  I noticed it was cooler than it should be in the RV as Raewyn and I were being smothered by Lilly and Tux as their fuzzy, furry coats weren't providing sufficient warmth. I reset the furnace (shut it down then restarted it) and found that it would run for about 20 seconds then shut down. While I come from a technical background I am not familiar with furnaces. A quick trip around YouTube and I came across this little video that addresses the problem. 

The issue was that the sail switch get's coated in dust particles, fluff of fur from pets and prevents the sail switch (a little micro switch with a large fin on it) from closing and allowing propane to flow. It's a safety device that checks that the fan is running before the burners are lit. It's an easy fix which is nice as working in -26 is not fun.

A Dometic furnace with the cover and exhaust ports removed. Circled in red is the location of the sail switch just below is a reset button. Removal is dead easy it's just two screws just be careful removing the switch. 

Switch removed fluff etc. will build up at the base of the long silver switch lever carefully clean of lint and remount in to fan housing and replace the furnace cover and test.

Note: The linked YouTube video is not my property but belongs to this guy Our Road To Camelot It was the first video that was returned when googling "RV furnace runs then shuts down".

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 Wintering in an RV

Well today the 23rd January 2021 was our first real taste of actual cold weather in an RV. Today we discovered that our pipes were starting to freeze. We were lucky enough to get away with just the hot water freezing in the kitchen, all others were unaffected  luckily enough We think that the reason for this is that the bathroom water lines are in the service area underneath the floor next to the passthrough. While the water pipes that run from the service area to the kitchen (a total of about 6 feet) are close to the outer skin under the kitchen floor. We have since added a heater to that area and pointed it down the access pass that runs down the middle of the RV towards the back where the fresh water tank is located.

The heater faces an area where electrical cables and water lines make their way to the kitchen, back further towards the rear of the RV where the fresh water tanks are mounted and the 50 AMP socket is mounted. There is a furnace duct that is dedicated to directing warm air to prevent freezing but It needs some help when it's below minus 15 outside.

Well we did have other issues mainly with the sewer hose. It froze solid We figured the issue arose from too many tight bends and as too gradual slope for the flow from the RV to the RV park's drain. Well, we were partially correct with regards to the bends in the pipe. There is a fair distance for the water to travel but at least it's straight now. It's been around - 15 degrees C for the last 48 hours and water seems to be flowing through okay without it slowly freezing up over time.

A gradual slope with minimal sharp bends in the hose is the way to go. It's about 8 feet with a drop in height of about 2 feet from the RV to the park's plumbing. We check it periodically by tapping it to see if ice is building up in the pipe. If so we run a sink full of hot water to melt it.

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The Dave and Raewyn's do's of RV life we have discovered

Some handy hints that we discovered

Firstly I would like to point out that points included should be taken experiences that we have encountered and what may have worked for us may not be practicable in all cases. Now that the disclaimer is up let's get started.

Prior to purchase

Now that you have narrowed it down to one or two RV's 

• Take the time to inspect your potential purchase get faults fixed then check and check again. The car salesman reputation applies at RV sales centers too you know. Besides they just need to move units.
• get up on the roof and under the RV. Climb in the pass through and look at the command center, you know that area under the shower that has everything that makes it livable in shitty weather if you cant access it then ask to have the panels removed so that you can see and test it all. Hot water, furnace and the back of the refrigerator
• Check out the frame, suspension, brakes and tires. In particular check out the date of the tires as they don't age like an Aussie Shiraz.
• Get up on the roof, loose the shoes and climb up and check out the rubber membrane for any leaks
• Check the outer walls for de-lamination, that is to say the laminated walls are starting to come apart. Usually can be identified as bulges in what would otherwise be a flat surface
• Did I mention to run the furnace, AC and refrigerator, water pump and anything else you can find?
• Run all jacks

Within the warranty period

Test all of the above as soon as possible as you might find yourself taking it back as we did with a auto-leveling jack fault and during this time you will get a feel as to how the RV pulls when empty (dry).

I guess at this point you will need to load the RV up

This is where the arguments happen and is a test of a relationship and is discussed in a latter blog.

Let me tell you about British Columbia

 Musings about British Columbia

Let me tell you about my experiences with living in southern British Columbia. Please bear with me this page eventually gets back on to the RV topic.

The first time we moved to Oliver, BC

We moved to Oliver in April to work for a winery as I had previously worked in viticulture in Victoria, Australia. 

Yarra Burn Victoria, Australia

I worked for a winery in Oliver, BC, and while the work was similar to Yarra Burn there seemed to be a hierarchy. More than just the chain of command. The "ol'e boy" system that exists in England and to a lesser degree in Australia is alive and well here in southern BC at least.

Yarra Burn was a great place to work, I actually enjoyed my work and the views rolling hills and temperate rainforest. The winery in Oliver included the same kind of work, I was operations manager, which means I basically managed the machinery used in the operation of a vineyard.

So while the work was similar the work ethic and the attitude towards employees is completely different.   

Here in southern British Columbia (the Okanagan and the East Kootenay regions) are the regions that have the mildest climate by Canadian standards. So these regions have typically medium industrial , commercial and alot of hospitality due the amount of tourism in the area. Increased tourism generally will mean low paying jobs and this is what you will get in these areas. I mean the average hourly rate seems to be around $20 - $27 p/hour. which is certainly a meager wage in an area with expensive housing and cost of living when compared to other areas.

Second time in the East Kootenay

Employers in others areas seem to be fine with asking you to do additional work that will be unpaid. I was a bit miffed at this as it does not benefit me financially at all, actually it seems that employees feel grateful for the privilege of being able to work. When I queried a fellow employee they said it was normal and that it's just part of the "sunshine tax" 

Pretty as a picture just don't work there

 The "sunshine tax" It's more a case of tight-assed small/medium companies in a position to screw over it's locals who have limited options of employment.

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Plans for 2021

As seems you can't make a living in Southern BC, anything substantial anyway. we will be possibly heading north again and maybe even wintering in Northern Alberta, this should allow us to eventually winter in the States not withstanding COVID border restrictions.

Raewyn, hasn't experienced the Northern Lights and you need to be up north in the winter to see them in their full spender.

We are currently looking for a heated shed for the winter that will fit our RV and perhaps a car or two. Now this is a task as you could imagine they would be fairly highly sought after. The RV park that we stayed at had some dedicated heated sheds for this purpose. There not cheap but they are a cheaper option than renting a house or a unit as we have animals to consider. 

That's interesting eh? a heated shed for your RV. Not something you would need to consider when living in an RV and Australia has a lot of "grey nomads" full timing and living on the road.

We do figure that 18 to 24 months in the oilfield will be sufficient to catch up financially and to have enough to finally get down south for a work-free winter finally.

I don't get the differences in pay rates in different provinces across Canada. I mean I can understand the differences in mining industry work and other work but similar employment between provinces? It seems to me that in British Columbia people think that $20 p/hour is a reasonable wage when based on the cost of living it should be more like at least $25 p/hour. People here just laugh it off and say it's the "sunshine tax". That's Southern BC for ya'. Don't get me wrong I mean it's not a pretty place and were here as we didn't want to winter unprepared in northern Alberta. It's just the wages, they suck! 

So in all, Rocky Pines RV "resort" is serving it's purpose even if it's located on the side of an unstable hill and I mean unstable as we have had to adjust the leveling jacks on occasion up until the ground started to freeze. They do include a carpark for people here who's vechicles cant get up the hill to their RV's.

Rocky Pines RV Park

We were lucky to get that site as there are alot of RV'ers that cant get south. On the plus side they do have fast internet. The sites electricity is currently un-metered (they have slapped an additional $100 on top of the site fees of  $600 so we have switched as much as possible over to electricity, even bought an additional heater or two to save on propane usage.

So as the moment we are looking leaving on or around mid March.

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Cranbrook, British Columbia

Life in Cranbrook, British Columbia 

We arrived in Cranbrook late October to enjoy the remainder of the warm weather. Rocky Pines RV park is located on the eastern end of Cranbrook just off highway 3.

Rocky Pines RV Park was not our first or second choice for that matter. Cranbrook is not as touristy as Fernie which is just down the road but has a bigger population, we were hoping to spend winter on Vancouver Island but most sites were already booked out due to the Canada/US border being closed. The snowbirds need to go somewhere I guess, as it turns out Cranbrook was a better choice for picking up work quickly.

Cranbrook's main industry is logging and tourism and meth production. The last one is a judgment based on the amount of "tweakers" spotted while driving through town.

Since my time in Canada, I have found that working in BC seems to be treated as a privilege as most employers pay as little as possible and expect far too much for free. Locals just laugh this off and say that it's the "sunshine tax". I guess that is why my bias lies with Alberta.  

Rocky Pines RV Park is on the side of a hill where all the RV spaces are all cramped together with only dead pine trees for shelter. The park does have surprisingly fast internet speed that has a relatively good uptime. All sites have 30 and 50 amp power, water and sewer mounted conveniently halfway on the edge of each site. None of the sites have meters so each site has an additional one hundred on top of the six hundred per month for the site so it's a case of running as much as possible on electricity.   

As the RV park was landscaped in 2019 with power going in 2020, there is no laundromat (construction started in late 2020 with the intended opening in the first half of 2021. There are two laundromats in Cranbrook, a conventional laundromat complete with homeless and tweakers and a drop-off service.

Our first winter

Upon setting our RV at the park we had to look at skirting our RV for the winter and organizing a few 90 Lb. propane bottles. It is an obligation or a condition of wintering at this RV park that you skirt your RV with either a custom skirt or with wooden framing with insulation foam. While this is a common practice it seems wasteful to spend three hundred or so on materials only to give it away when we leave in mid March 2021. 

The general consensus is that skirting is necessary for sub zero camping. We have found that our cougar is good for minus 10 degrees C, we did find that the floor was cold even though the heating was set to 20 degC.

The median temperature in Cranbrook for December are supposedly around minus 5 degC but of late it's been around minus 6 at night to -2 to plus 6 degC I did some work under the trailer and did notice it was significantly warmer so I believe the skirting even in these mild temperatures would be saving in heating costs.

We found that at temperatures above minus 15 degC we have to turn down the furnace as the two small space heaters are sufficient to maintain an average temperature of around 20 degrees inside the RV. There is one distinct advantage  that 5th wheels have over travel trailers (caravans if your an Aussie) is that as the bedroom is the highest point it's generally the warmest room especially when you have a kelpie and a kitty sleeping on you.

Cranbrook, located in the East Kootenay region of British Columbia is similar in climate with The Okanagan which is further to the west. The Okanagan has a higher population with Pentiction and Kelowna both being larger that Cranbrook.

Leaving Peace River, Alberta for Cranbrook, British Columbia

 Heading South for the Winter. Cranbrook, BC

Being the first summer in our RV we were able to set up our little home on wheels for the warmer weather but we figured out that minus 20 Deg C weather was not an ideal first winter for us so I took a 6 month sabbatical from working in northern Alberta so we packed up and headed south, well as far south as COVID would allow. We were originally going to stay on Vancouver Island for it's mild winters. We made a few stops along the way, as we had a few days to get to Cranbrook. It would also mean a stop for a few days at one of the bigger RV parks on the outskirts of Edmonton, Alberta.

Dimond Grove RV Park, is about 6 hours south of Peace River. it's one of those RV parks where your average rig is worth around $250.000 plus. We were greeted by a grumpy RV attendant who guided us into our site and explained ad nauseum about how to back our RV a difficult 30 feet and DON"T DRIVE ON THE GRASS!!! Seriously this guy was as condescending as hell. I figured that this asshole was just used to assisting overly cautious, over cashed retirees reverse the kids inheritance into it's spot. 

The RV site rules were somewhat draconian such as all wood for firepit's and BBQ's had to be bought from the site otherwise "fire privilege's would be rescinded. Other RV park rules were standard as you would expect, such as animals on a lead etc.     

Service with a frown

The site on a daily fee was $50.00 per night, which is the most expensive way to pay for a site but as we were there for three nights it was our only option. RVer's stay at this park. It's open all year around, just don't bring your own fire wood.

Our time in Edmonton allowed us to catchup with friends and Raewyn's family. We left for Lethbridge, AB and encountered 100Km winds which managed to partially remove some of the plastic fender. Like I said, these RV's break. I was surprised as the crosswinds didn't seem to push the RV around. We did notice that the fuel consumption did increase considerably. 

We left Edmonton for Lethbridge to stay with friends then on to Cranbrook, BC where we are going to stay for the winter.